Chelated Copper Syringes

[Little-Miss-Muppet]

Anyone used these before?

http://www.trm-ireland.com/products/english/chelated-copper-syrup-gel.htm

if so how fast did you find they worked / how fast did you see results

Cheers

[Welsh Girl]

I never supplement with a single mineral due to mineral inter-relationships, copper needs molybdenum to be absorbed and it doesn't say what it is chelated with.

[termoncarragh]

I've used it LMM, our land is deficient in Copper, so was advised by vet to supplement when I broght C home. As far as I know there is molybdenum in that mix, which allows it to be properly absorbed. Can check the pack tonight though if you like.

To be honest I dodn't notice any difference, but I was using it to avoid rather than to treat a deficiency, so I guess I wouldn't have expected a big change

Gave him nice blue lips though :D

[Little-Miss-Muppet]

lol yeah just curious as to how quickly they work. A friends horse on the yard was deficient it sometimes happens round here. Siogs coat was quite patchy - more so than usual, she has the usual blacky bits at the back but had a few lighter bits at the front that looked a bit yellowy to me so I gave her one of the syringes as a pre caution on sunday. She was in total fantastic form yesterday so I was wondering if it was anything to do with it - would not have imagined it would kick in that quick!!

[termoncarragh]

She was in total fantastic form yesterday so I was wondering if it was anything to do with it - would not have imagined it would kick in that quick!!

More likely just spring grass and your magic touch :D

[Welsh Girl]

I feed Farriers Formula it has good levels of copper and supporting vitamins minerals, my horses have great coats, skin and hooves. Our 20yoa cob came with poor feet that wouldn't hold shoes, she has no problems now.

[Little-Miss-Muppet]

thanks guys. Her feet are very good it was more her coat although it is in the growing out phase. Pony is on biotin as her feet are great but farrier remarked that they grow very slowly. Must look at farriers formula thanks welsh girl as some copper alongside biotin might be no harm

TC i hope thats what it is cos she was in great mood!

[Welsh Girl]

L-M-M Farriers Formula has copper in it. Anything thats good for feet is usually good for the coat too.

[Little-Miss-Muppet]

cool might put her on that for her feet as her coat while its getting better it always needs care to keep it good its naturally a bit dry so I use oil and seaweed

[chunkman]

i use Hema C C - a iron copper and cobalt supplement that keeps the bloods right and gets the right amount of copper and cobalt that most horses are deficient in

[Tharg]

Are there kits that can be got to test the land and hay for mineral content?

[termoncarragh]

Ours was tested by Teagasc I think, though there are probably kits available.

There's an interesting EPA database (http://erc.epa.ie/nsdb/countyMap)that has the results of soil samples taken naionwide ... haven't really looked at it in detail but it might give you an idea if the soils in your general locality were low in copper....

(if nothing else it's got nice aerial maps of our area anyway!!)

[Welsh Girl]

Thanks for that T-C!

Do you know where I can get my hay/haylage analalysed (sp) for nutritional content please?

[Alibear]

That's brilliant - Thanks TC :)

[termoncarragh]

I don't sorry! OH is the real farmer, I'm just a hanger-on! :blushing:

But I imagine your local Teagasc (http://www.teagasc.ie/contacts/office_locator.aspx)office would be a good place to start?

[Welsh Girl]

Thank You! :)

[rambling]

TC thanks for the info.
A really useful resource. I keep my horse in Wicklow and have always been told that horses there can be copper deficient because of either excess or lack of Molybendem cant remember which.
Now if I only I had the brain power I might be able to figure it out.
Did anyone ever hear that it has something to do with being on the granite?

[Tharg]

Here's the aerial view of the yard I'm on!

http://erc.epa.ie/nsdb/countyMap

Disregard - didn't work!

[Little-Miss-Muppet]

checked with my friend who used the copper on her horse and asked how quick the syrninges work and she said she saw a difference in her lad within a day or two. I reckon it def did siog good. The YO was remarking the other night how her coat is so much better than it was a few weeks ago ita gone back to the rich summer colour and the lighter bits are gone.

[magoozee]

Can they be bought online? I need to dose Siobhan with Copper before covering her.

[Little-Miss-Muppet]

http://www.tri-ireland.ie/ecom/description.php?II=117&UID=2009051316451184.203.142.66&CatID=46

[magoozee]

Thanks LMM...

[Little-Miss-Muppet]

no problem they do the syringes or you can buy a bottle of stuff to give daily

[Sid]

Hi, New to this.

Copper deficiency in animals can be caused by a naturally low soil copper base or soil that in high in the molybdenum. Molybdenum ties up copper in the stomach and the stomach wall cannot absorb the copper.

Most Teagasc offices around the country can test soil for nutrients and carry out a hay analysis to test levels of nutrients.

[Tharg]

Sid do you have any idea how much that would cost? Is it possible to send them a soil and hay sample through the post.

[Sid]

I am not 100% sure but I think a full soil sample is €45+VAT

Hay analysis is €65+ VAT

If you are sending samples down try not handle them directly.

Try Teagasc in Johnstown Castle in Wexford.


Most race horse trainers do a blood analysis the the Vet carries out. This would give you a better indication on deficiencies as there is so many variables as to why the horse is showing a deficiency.

[Druid]

One of the feed companies was offering hay analysis for €5 recently - perhaps worth a google?