another barefoot question

[Knot69]

what amount of training would you feel appropriate for some one to under go before you would trust them to maintain your hoses feet.
Ie:Only a fully trained farrier,some one you no to have looked after his own hoses feet without incident for say ten or so years ,any one that was recommended by trusted people.
And do you think that people that have been on a weeks course with a well known barefoot trimmer should be allowed to maintain there own horses feet. i am very intresed in your opinons so please give them.

[Molasses]

Difficult one:blushing:
Not all farriers are created equally, just as not all 'barefoot trimmers' are. (just as not all vets are either)
Think this one is hard to make a call on as it would be a case by case individual call. Impossible even :imho:

As to how much 'training i would feel would be appropriate' :confused: I don't think I would measure it.
I think I would measure a persons work and the quality of it rather than the certs on their wall.

But from me.....simply NO to a person doing a weeks course then being let without backup from a more experienced person qualified or otherwise. Horse's feet are too complex and too easy to get horribly wrong. Yes a person can be taught rudimentary stuff, how to use a rasp to get off a bad edge or pull a shoe to prevent the horse injurying himself....these sort of things yes, but total care of a horses feet solo - No. Just my two cents and I always maintain I have the right to change my mind...afterall blind faith is a bad way to live:sniggers:

[Teegee]

Simple answer - absolutely not.

[bob1984]

I know nothing about barefoot trimming but I think I would be very fussy - Im fussy about most things anyway :blushing:

Someone with no training - No way!! I would not care what they do with their own horses - they would not be touching mine!!

A week long course - another big no-no!!! :no: Not a hope!

As I say I dont know anything about it so it would take alot of research on my part - trying to fully understand it before I could even try and judge the quality of someone's work....

[intouch]

Check out http://www.eptrain.co.uk/ - I think someone should be at least seriously working towards qualifying, and have back-up for advice if they need help (and not be afraid to admit it!)

[fat frog]

no way they would have to be qualified...

[Welsh Girl]

"No Foot No Horse!"

Considering that those four digits support the horses entire frame and how the foots alignment can effect both soundness in the limb and soundness in its back and pelvis, a one week course comes no where near the mark in my opinion. In an Equine Science third level qualification the amount of hours spent learning anatomy and physiology, comes to way more than a week and it only scratches the surface on how foot alignment can affect gait and soundness. If I am having a person trim and balance my horses feet for soundness in work I would expect a heck of a lot more than a weeks training as there is no way they can learn enough in 1 week.

Knock off rough edges, remove a twisted shoe and other emergency proceedures yes, but not for long term health and happiness no.

The Equine Podiatry Association is making great progress to regulate and improve the service, its high time in my opinion.

I recall that "strasser" method and all the problems that caused :censored:

[Napoles]

Absolutely not, as Welsh Girl said, "No Foot, No Horse". The horse's foot is extremely complex and the thought of someone attempting to trim or work on it after a week's course with no proper apprenticeship or anything sends me into shivers.
Can I ask why you asked this question?

[xxkarenxx]

A week long course, are you for real?? That question doesn't even need to be answered as far as I'm concerned. The foot is the single most important part of the horses body why would you let some moron who hasn't clue near it with a rasp :wtf:

Bare foot trimmers should be treated the same way as a farrier, they need to be qualified and the entire body be regualted.

[Bobbi C]

no way Jose, not a chance would I let someone with a week's training near my horses feet

[Knot69]

A week long course, are you for real?? That question doesn't even need to be answered as far as I'm concerned. The foot is the single most important part of the horses body why would you let some moron who hasn't clue near it with a rasp :wtf:

Bare foot trimmers should be treated the same way as a farrier, they need to be qualified and the entire body be regualted.

well the questions wasn't would you let a moron with no experience near your horses feet .So i take it its only master farriers for your horses then fair enough.

[Knot69]

Simple answer - absolutely not.

not wat ?

[Knot69]

Check out http://www.eptrain.co.uk/ - I think someone should be at least seriously working towards qualifying, and have back-up for advice if they need help (and not be afraid to admit it!)

at least some one read the question.
thanks again intouch

[Knot69]

Can I ask why you asked this question?[/QUOTE]

was just interested in you opinions. i no people that would have no problem doing there own horses. and a friends if asked
but also no people that wouldn't let any one but the farrier that has done there hoses for years .

[bob1984]

I think most are refering to this:


And do you think that people that have been on a weeks course with a well known barefoot trimmer should be allowed to maintain there own horses feet.

[Knot69]

I think most are refering to this:

yer but that wasn't the question it was supposed to be just example.should have known better

[bob1984]

Punctuation and layout of your post so :nod: Confusing to read...

[Knot69]

Punctuation and layout of your post so :nod: Confusing to read...

yer dyslexia think i mite just quit before it gets me in any more trouble

[Nick]

I'm going to have to call foul here knot,

Dyslexia is not a licence for text speak and bad grammar.
I understand that it is harder for you to type and read then people who don't have the affliction, however, it is unfair on the rest of us to have to decipher your posts.

You can now easily get spell check plugins for most browsers and you are not the only dyslexic person on the forum. The mods and myself and perfectly happy to make exceptions to the rules on posting, however in order for us to do so in your case, you will have to reciprocate in making an effort in your posts.

[rambling]

Can I ask why you asked this question?

was just interested in you opinions. i no people that would have no problem doing there own horses. and a friends if asked
but also no people that wouldn't let any one but the farrier that has done there hoses for years .

I know people who nail shoes on their own horses too but it doesn't make them a farrier, let alone a good farrier.

I didn't answer till now because I really found it hard to figure out what exactly to answer. This may not answer your questions but I can try.

I wouldn't let anyone but the best Farrier in my area or an apprentice under his supervision shoe my horse and I would travel a couple of hours if necessary to go to a good one if there wasn't one locally.
I am not against Barefoot but its not for me with this horse . Luckily there is a Farrier working locally who was trained conventionally by my Farrier doing Barefoot so I would start with him and get the best of both .

I would not have someone who had done a short course do anything to my horses feet.

I would not buy a horse that hadn't had the attentions of a decent farrier if I could help it. I'm not saying it needed to have been shod but just his feet professionally cared for.

I just believe there is a lot more to Farriery than putting on shoes .

[xxkarenxx]

well the questions wasn't would you let a moron with no experience near your horses feet .So i take it its only master farriers for your horses then fair enough.

As it happens, yes my farrier is a master farrier. I took from the question that someone with a weeklong training course would not have sufficient experience to look after my horses feet.



I just believe there is a lot more to Farriery than putting on shoes .

What she said :sheep:

[Little-Miss-Muppet]

:sheep: what rambling said. There is a lot more to being a farrier than just nailing on shoes. similarly being a dentist is not just merely rasping teeth

To be honest knot69 what you do with your own horse is your business and your decision. If you feel barefoot is the best option for him then thats great thats what works for you. I choose to do something different with my own mare but sure people always vary

Where I get confused is why you are on here several times now almost evangelising barefoot and telling us all why you think its so great etc etc. You don't see others who shoe their horses starting threads going on about how great farriers and shoes are so I don't see why barefoot people find the need to try to "convert" people or justify themselves.

Like I have said before it seems to be a theme in natural horsemanship and barefoot as well as religious movements to seek to convert or somehow think anyone who does not do what you do is in need of education or enlightenment

Live and let live!

Not to be smart but once people are not neglecting their horses and the horses are healthy and happy I really don't care what they choose to do with them. Hell paint their hooves pink and buy them horse uggs I don't care just don't keep trying to tell me why its so great all the time

[intouch]

OK, I'm a self-confessed hoof anorak, but it's not just in this area of my life that a tendency to challenge tradition has got me into bother. I am compelled to keep up to date with anything new that I'm interested in, and if it works for me, I don't like to keep it a secret, in case others might find it helpful.

Knot 69 seems to be exploring the barefoot world - I haven't seen any of her posts where she is telling anyone what to do or think. Surely on a forum such as this - specially under the heading - this can't be seen as offensive?

I don't much go for text speak, but I didn't find her post hard to understand.

[bob1984]

I don't much go for text speak, but I didn't find her post hard to understand.

I was simply refering to the fact that I read the post and replied as I thought I understood it...

It seems I was wrong however... according to knot you were the only person to read it correctly!

[Jedy]

Well, as couple of farriers I've used said, after ditching the knife they had in hand and reaching for brand new one- why the heck would Seagull need shoes when his soles are harder than them?! he he. For real! Yet, I found it hard to get a trim suitable for going barefoot, and although I did ride barefoot all winter on all surfaces it was with a trim less than ideal for the purpose. He did well non the less, and is shod now purely for cosmetic reasons for showing season. I think those questions asked are not without a merit, thinking that I like to use the best farriers I can get, yet the most I heard from them about barefoot was- I won't shoe him if you don't want me too!!!

[rambling]

Jedy i think you were unfortunate that your farriers, having said that Seagull had such hard feet, didn't make any effort to give him a trim suitable for a horse ridden barefoot or suggest someone who would.
When I asked would my horse be suitable for working barefoot my farrier took the time to explain why he thought he wouldn't be and even said that his first consideration is always "does this horse need shoes ? ".

[Teegee]

not wat ?

I was replying to your question
And do you think that people that have been on a weeks course with a well known barefoot trimmer should be allowed to maintain there own horses feet. i am very intresed in your opinons so please give them.

My reply is absolutely not.